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Tuesday, September 14th 2010, 10:13am

Retirement Age

In some countries the average worker is obliged to retire at the age of 50, while in others people can work until they are 65 or 70. Until what age do you think people should be encouraged to remain in paid employment?
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Tuesday, September 14th 2010, 11:21am

wow, 50 is awesome. but i dunt want to retire so early.otherwise it's bored . i think 65 is good for me to enjoy the rest of my life. ;)

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Tuesday, September 14th 2010, 1:47pm

it was 65 here.. which will be 67 soon. My dad 'has' to go when he's 60 (due to the kind of work he does). But it also means he will get a lower pension. He's insured for that though. Most pensions aren't sufficient any more. So I guess I'll have to think about some good insurances and extra savings in a few years' time too (when I start to work full-time hopefully).
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Wednesday, September 15th 2010, 12:34am

Here it is 60 but i am against that as it is unfair to put an expire date for humans .. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
A so simply example that it is never about age, it is about performance --> Sir Alex Ferguson, Man UT Coach! he is over 68 years!
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Wednesday, September 15th 2010, 7:37am

or it's the right to be able to stop working when you've been working full-time since the age of 16? :P
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Wednesday, September 15th 2010, 5:32pm

there is a big different between 'to be able' and ' to be obliged ' ;)
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Thursday, September 16th 2010, 9:00am

here it's rather 'obliged' than 'to be able' I'm afraid to say :P
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Saturday, September 18th 2010, 2:26pm

In China, according to civil law, women should retire at 50 while men are at 60. But I prefer the method that we can make our decision about our own retirement age rather based on the law. Maybe some want to retire early but others like to devote their lives to the work. Everyone has the freedom to choose which life they like to live if they consider their situations carefully. There is an old saying that goes like this: Diferent people, different opinion. :P

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Saturday, September 18th 2010, 4:46pm

I think they at least should be able to have some choice in the retirement age. Indeed as Arianne pointed out, if you started working at 16, for example in a factory, you'd be probably more than happy to be able to stop working at somewhere between 50 and 60, because you already worked for 40 years then (which is quite a long time for some occupations...). But if you're a student and only start working at 24-26, you already have 10 years less work than the ones started at 16.

So I'd say it would depend on at which age you started and on what kind of job you do. Some jobs are more easily practiced at 65 then others :P.
The age would circle somewhere between 55-65/70 or so? Depending on the kind of job and of course your own physique.
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Saturday, September 18th 2010, 5:37pm

Nike, come and join politics! Totally love your statement! :D
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Sunday, September 19th 2010, 11:11am

Yay, that sonds pretty good Nike. Another important factor is the physical grade of a job, isn't it? Like if you work on the construction side you shouldn't work as long as people in an office - just because your body will exhausted a couple of years earlier (it's realized like this in Switzerland).

In my opinion the retirement has to age in relation to our life expectations. If the average age is raising during the next decades we simply need to change it from 65 and set it a bit higher. Otherwise the whole retiremenent benefits system will collapse, won't it?


I can live with a retirement age that depends on when you start and how high the physical grade of a job is. For the future we might need to make some changes due to the raising average age (well, I'm not sure about that, though).
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Sunday, September 19th 2010, 4:40pm

Glad you like my statement :P
I got to agree with Silvio on the point of physically (or psychologically) more difficult jobs. There must at least come a clearer seperation between different branches of jobs.
About the life expectancy and use that as a measure for the possible raising of the retirement age, I don't know if it would really work, because there sometimes happen to be fluctuations in life expectancy. But I do think it might be a good idea, if the average age does get higher.

A point of the retirement I don't really understand is the ones for people in the army/in the marine/navy and such. They can retire quite early, because of the job, and even sooner if they have done some certain shifts. For example, my great uncle had a job at the Navy, at which he did some years in the Tropics (that counted for 'double' years), so he could retire at about 45. He is now 93, so... he is one of the exceptions who has had a longer retirement than working time :P, so about 30 years of working, versus 48 years of retirement.
I don't know what you think, but there is a certain discrepancy here... :P
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